the first was a couple weeks ago like jeff immelt and ursula burns and employed blalloyd bla the key thing is if you take a ceo like lloyd blankfein, he's not going to be building plants so not in the same position as the ceo of dupont who yesterday said that, she has stopped spending or pulled back spending significantly because of all this. because she is making plant decisions and she's dealing with the agriculture industry. there's so many -- the farm bill is up in the air. so many things you don't think about but the question with the ceos, is it really going to move the needle or just to show that he is clearly trying to repair his relationship with business. >> harold, these meetings with ceos, are really important because you and i both know and can say it now that the election is over, there were a lot of democrats, loyal lifelong democrats that ran a lot of really big corporations that went in, talked to president obama, they left and they left and in 2009, 2010 would say to people like you and me off the air, the guy is clueless when it comes to business. he is absolutely